Deadpool's sexuality

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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby hgiel » Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:57 pm

I don't believe in giving anyone a false assessment of the situation they're entering which is why I now regret giving people any indication that this was a safe place that they would be taken seriously.

The only thing I labeled this forum as was "male dominated" and "combative and antagonistic" So I'm not asking for an apology, if anything I'd like you to continue talking because you doing quite well to prove my point.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby BillyOfBillycartLane » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:17 pm

Jeez, Tumblr is a confusing way of organising information. Anyway, I'm not getting into that discussion, but I got the paranoid sense that this:

I was reading the posts on that forum and I want to say something but don't really wanna make an account or whatever. It's weird how when DP makes comments/flirts(?) with guys it's a joke or a distraction but it's confirmation that he's straight when he makes the same type towards females. Hope you don't mind me saying this here.


Referred to this:

BillyOfBillycartLane wrote:However, the joke is also that he's being flippant about the subject. The joke works in this way with many of his allusions to women, too. Taken at face value, those jokes make him a highly problematic, sexist character. However, he's not being quite so sexist as all that because we know he belittles men by reducing them to their sexuality, too. Not necessarily because he hopes to get in their pants, but because he jokes about everything. All the time. It's how he relates to the world. He's pancomedic.


And as such felt the need to respond to it. If my statement did indeed inspire Anonymous to write that, I was misinterpreted. My intention was to throw the "not necessarily because he hopes to get in their pants" statement over the entire paragraph. I was also saying that when he says these sorts of things to women, it is not the same thing as flirting with them. I do not take such quips as confirmation of heterosexuality at all. The only things I take as confirmation of an interest in women are his instances of actually pursuing them.

It would take too much time for me to address a couple of other things I want to address in this thread because I have things to do right now, but may do so at a later date depending on the state of things at that point.

Well, I will just quickly clarify that all I'm saying is writers in the past have written him as a heterosexual. I'm going to have to reread the current run to see if anything suggesting an interest in men has actually been written into his and Posehn's work. Also, the actual line on Twitter is "anything with a pulse," too, which pbviously encompasses animals, so there was surely an element of jokiness to it, though the idea that he might go for Madcap can easily be taken as a serious element within that.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby cc008 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:23 pm

All I want to know is how you can label an entire forum combative and antagonistic because of one altercation (and now I guess 2). I haven't antagonized or belittled you at all, as it was never my intention to, I just don't think it was fair to label these forums as anything negative in the first place.

I also just want to let you know I just stumbled upon the link to your tumblr when I went searching for Gerry Duggan's actual tweet to see the context it was written in. I wouldn't "investigate" anyone and then make an assumption of the type of person they are. The comments about the boards just caught my attention struck a nerve.

I will continue talking if you'd like to get back to the topic at hand as long as you are aware that people having an opinion that is different from your own doesn't equate to them being combative.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby hgiel » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:36 pm

Accusing me of having an agenda and complaining about my drawing attention to behaviors that you yourself exhibit are combative.

I don't appreciate your sarcastic invitation to continue the conversation as long as I am aware that "people having an opinion that is different from your own doesn't equate to them being combative"

You are the one that derailed the conversation, and you are the one who so desperately needed to invalidate my opinion that you would go to my blog and bring back a misrepresentation of what I said to do so.

I agree we would do well to get back on topic so this is the last I'll speak on your poor behavior.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby cc008 » Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:53 pm

Interpret it however you want, I know it wasn't sarcastic. I can keep trying to explain myself but it's clear there's no salvaging this so what's point. Enjoy the rest of the conversation.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby fusciaskull » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:10 pm

My question is why most of this conversation is purely 'he's gay or he's straight'.

Deadpool is a really lonely, self-destructive guy. I have a feeling that if he would accept affection from almost anyone. Someone pointed out earlier that Deadpool seems a lot more interested in emotional relationships, romantic and non-romantic. Emotional bonds can be formed with anyone, such as Cable or Mary. I don't necessarily think that he had romantic feelings for Cable, but desire for sexual contact often evolves from strong emotional bonds, especially since Deadpool rarely has those bonds with anyone else.

Does Deadpool probably have a strong sexual preference for the ladies/lady type creatures? Sure. But if you ignore the innuendos and emotional passes he's made towards men (ex. Spider-Man) and push them to the side as a fluke or just banter, you're living in a world of denial.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby Dhoonib » Sat Dec 07, 2013 11:57 pm

But again we are guessing as to sexual encounters that there isn't any evidence of. While I disagree with hgiel conclusion that Wade is gay I concede the evidence that you have brought up is definitely evidence that supports your conclusion. My problem with your theory fusciaskull there is no panels that show him having sex with a man of any kind. In fact there is two instances that he is implied to being having/had sex, one with the Female Hippo Alien (whose name escapes me, sorry) and the other is Carmelita. Both females. While he may makes passes at men, normally again during battle, he seems to only be acting on his feelings with women.

Also speaking of Carmelita, Gerry and Brian have changed Deadpool's personality. He is no longer self destructive and lonely. In fact, he has not pushed away or hurt his friends (with the exception of killing Michael but that was to save his soul so its kind of justified) unlike Daniel Way's run which in my view at least, Way went out of his way to prove that Deadpool hates himself and will push his friends away because he is unable to understand why people want to be around him. Gerry and Brian's Deadpool is a lot more of a hero type and no longer will cut himself for blood to chum the waters just so he can fight a shark. So I find it hard to believe that he would just screw anyone who would let him. Honestly Copycat was a hooker when they met and fell in love so if he wanted to sleep with a man or a woman he could go find another hooker. But since Copycat he has never been shown with prostitutes.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby fusciaskull » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:19 am

Where I disagree with you, Dhoonib, is that you seem to equate sexuality to sex acts, when that's not the case at all. Of course he's had sex with women, and it's pretty clear that that hasn't happened with men in any way that we're aware of. The genders that he's had sex with aren't necessarily indicative of who he's attracted to. Also, I said 'affections' specifically because no, I don't think he would have sex with anyone who was willing - I rather think that he'd be willing to form emotional bonds and friendships with the people he admires. I mentioned Spider-Man because I think he's a good example of Deadpool having a friend-crush - someone who he wants to connect with - as well as someone who Deadpool has continuously made passes at every time they encounter.

I've kind of crash-coursed in sexual orientation, gender identity and queer culture over the past 4 years thanks to my involvement in my LGBTQ Rights club on campus, and I think it's important to note that sexuality is extremely subjective and fluid - if you're claiming outright that Deadpool is 100% pure hetero, especially with the factors we've already discussed, then I think you're resisting a change in your view rather than accepting that Wade is likely attracted to multiple genders, and that doesn't have to change anything about the comics.

I admit that I've only been reading comics for about a year, and my student budget hinders me a little in catching up as quickly as I'd like to, so I'm not so familiar with Gerry and Brian's portrayals of Deadpool - the earlier comics and what I can find on the internet are what I have to work with. But if you accept the newer Deadpool as canonical, don't you also have to consider that Gerry wasn't joking when he tweeted about Deadpool's omnisexuality?
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby hgiel » Sun Dec 08, 2013 12:22 am

Dhoonib wrote:But again we are guessing as to sexual encounters that there isn't any evidence of.


We never saw Mystique and Destiny have sex, kiss, touch romantically, or flirt; and yet the subtext was that they were domestic partners raising a daughter together. Kurt was even going to be their biological son.

That was in the 80's. If things had to be that hush hush then and less than a decade later Deadpool was openly flirting with men then in that universe he's a huge queen.

And still subtext was used with his character in the most text book fashion. I have detailed that here if anyone is interested.
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Re: Deadpool's sexuality

Postby Dhoonib » Sun Dec 08, 2013 1:16 am

@fusciaskull When you are mentioning Spiderman I assume you are meaning the Hit Monkey arc. Deadpool does seem like he wants to be friends with Spiderman. I do not believe that he truly admires Spiderman as a person or even that he is attracted to him. Instead there is a two fold thing with Spiderman, in the Hit Monkey arc he was trying to learn to be a hero and who better to learn from that Spidey. The second was a joke intended by Daniel Way, Spiderman is the king of superhero team ups. Spidey has teamed with pretty much every hero in the Marvel universe at least once. And so Deadpool called it a superhero team up multiple times in the comic much to the annoyance of Spiderman. I might be wrong about this but I took it as the farce of the (at the time) overdone superhero team up.

To your other point that maybe Gerry wasn't joking, I would consider it if there was several instances where he shows that he has a thing for guys. Honestly though its this volume that Deadpool actually met and had sex with Carmelita, even fathering a child with her. In this volume there is only one joke I've seen that can be taken as Deadpool actively watching gay porn. And that was him clinging on to the back of Superior Spiderman (Doc Ock) to get a ride up the side of high rise he nearly fell off of, DP says something to the effect of, if someone sees us like this there could be a lot of interesting stuff online, Spidey-Ock doesn't get it to which DP replies, I guess we visit different websites. I guess that can be taken as a reference that he visits websites with man on man action but that is one of those jokes that could imply DP watches porn (any kind) and Spidey doesn't. To your other point that I'm not willing to accept the change that Deadpool is bi, pan, or omni, I absolutely am. Despite disagreeing on this subject I'm actually a huge supporter of gay rights. My wife and I got married three years ago, two of our best friends were in the wedding party, my wife's bride's maid is bi and my groomsmen is gay. We have several friends who are in the LGBT community. So if Gerry and Brian want to make Deadpool bi, gay or (imo) leave him hetero I'm fine with the outcome. I just do not think enough evidence supports him being anything but straight in terms of who he is actually attracted to.

@hgiel I agree that Mystique and Destiny were intended to be a couple, in fact it was finally confirmed by Chris Claremont, I can't find the article but I know I read it. The comic code was the one that killed that except for Claremont leaving hints here and there. But I don't believe using that same subtext or hints that Claremont snuck in works for Deadpool. Claremont fully intended for Mystique and Destiny to be a couple. Rob Liefield, Joe Kelly, Chris Priest, Gail Simone, Fabien Nicieza, and Daniel Way have never mentioned if they wanted Deadpool to be gay, straight, bi, or otherwise. So far only Gerry Duggan, one half of the writing team on the current volume has made any mention of it and we can't be sure he is even serious. What I'm trying to say is Claremont sat down to write Mystique and Destiny's relationship, and if he wasn't stopped by the Code, he could have started a continuing relationship for the characters that could have evolved, fizzled or whatever even if it was picked up by another writer. None of the writers for Deadpool has ever come forward and said they wanted this for the character. No mention of how they were stopped by the Code or Marvel or their editor or whoever. So being that Joe Kelly is always asked about Deadpool and he has never mentioned this makes me believe that he never intended for Deadpool to be anything but hetro. Every time a new writer steps on board a comic they will make changes to suit the story that fits their interests especially if its a new volume. So since none of the aforementioned writers have made a point to put Deadpool in a situation where he does more than talk about who he is attracted to or come forward in an interview and talk about their plan to make Wade interested in men I have to believe he is hetro.
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